[Lucias C]

Marion Jones is a digrace to Olympic athletes who are actually drug free. People watch to see athletes compete with witch hard work and heart is mixed in.

The Olympic Oath

The athlete, from the team of the organizing country, holds a corner of the Olympic Flag while reciting the oath:

In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honour of our teams.

If

"Win if you can, lose if you must; always cheat."

[gopostal42]

why the hell should all of the pro athletes be on steroids?? Half of them are on anyway. most of them are on them. Steroids nad money destroy sports, Baseball, Boxing, and even powerlifting, powerlifting will never go big because one is the drug use, where has powerlifting gone??? NFL players are freakin phonies!! If someone hurts there pinkies they are out for a game, It is all crap anymore.

whoa whoa whoa, you're all wrong, you're using the wrong tone. if you do it again, i'm gonna stab you in the face with a soldering iron.....

that wasn't really a serious reply but lets look at it differently. if people are all concerned about a level playing field just make it open to anything. everyone has or can easily obtain the same resources in pro sports. as far as steroids destroying sports? sports destroy athletes, resposible use of gear helps athletes repair adequately to keep up with the incredibly taxing work and training they do to sustain and improve that level of performance. powerlifting won't go big due to lack of mass general appeal, not steroids. the media may try to sell steroids as a direct secretion from satan's nutsack but i promise its not the case.

[byronsru24]

the media may try to sell steroids as a direct secretion from satan's nutsack but i promise its not the case.

HA! I was half asleep till I read this comment! Thats going in my profile

[Judas]

If you could magically make drugs disappear from the planet (and thats about what it would take, Harry fucking Potter...) i'd wager Kennelly would still be the bench king. Just watch him perform, witness the Kennelly experience in person and theres NO arguing here's a guy who is willing to do ANYTHING, even severely shorten his lifespan, to be the best. If drugs didn't exist, he'd still be doing more than the next guy to win i assure you. Now apply this to every other sport or discipline on the planet. Drugs, gear, both or neither, the world champions are world champions because they wanted it more than the rest ov us.

Like it or not, the ONLY way you'll ever get rid ov cheating in sports is to open the floodgates and drop ALL performance-enhancing drug prohibition across the board. No matter how hard you try, how much money you spend and how brutally you punish the offenders, there will ALWAYS be someone who will cheat. And there will always be someone holding a knife at that gunfight, whatever kind ov gunfight it may be.

Seriously, if everything was legal, how bad would it be? Suddenly drugs in sports are no more cheating than protein powder. Sure, more people would die, but these are people who made that decision to go that route. Some might argue that not everybody has the potential (for whatever reason) to stand atop a podium, and many would compromise their health essentially for nothing (that was an argument here the last time we all blathered on about this...). To that i say anyone that stupid isnt really contributing much to the gene-pool anyways. Lets solve two major problems at once here: cheating in sports, and overpopulation! To those who could rule with the right tools, thats their choice, their body, blah blah blah. One thing i CAN absolutely guarantee you, they will have to build bigger stadiums, bigger arenas, create more sports channels and more sports bars. Sports fans will forget all this morality shit the second everyone is running faster, throwing farther, hitting harder, lifting more, fighting more aggressively, etc...

And they definitely would be performing better than their drug-TESTED but not clean counterparts. Show me ONE drug-tested user who can lift with a non-tested lifter, all things equal that is. Tested users most assuredly compromise their chemical enhancement as they try and outmaneuver the testers. I'm sure there are some absolutely brilliant tested users out there going almost full-bore and still passing tests, sure, but i'd like to see what someone that brilliant could do without the limits.

Come on, these are professionals we're talking about now. These people know the risks, and they get paid for it. No different than a soldier, an underwater welder, a cop, a fireman, etc. This topic is a joke (again, like it or not), fighting drugs in sport is as futile as the 'war on drugs', which is unlikely to end anytime soon either...

Open the gates!!!

This post has been edited by Judas: 29 October 2007 - 07:03 AM

[Lattimer]

why the hell should all of the pro athletes be on steroids?? Half of them are on anyway. most of them are on them. Steroids nad money destroy sports, Baseball, Boxing, and even powerlifting, powerlifting will never go big because one is the drug use, where has powerlifting gone??? NFL players are freakin phonies!! If someone hurts there pinkies they are out for a game, It is all crap anymore.

Dude----you really need to mellow out a little. Sounds a little personal.

Powerlifting will never go anywhere no matter what anybody does----its a boring sport to watch. Blaming anything on drug use is simply an excuse for the real problem, which is that there is no appeal to the general public. We are no more than a mildly interesting curiousity to basically anybody but other powerlifters.

[Lattimer]

If you could magically make drugs disappear from the planet (and thats about what it would take, Harry fucking Potter...) i'd wager Kennelly would still be the bench king. Just watch him perform, witness the Kennelly experience in person and theres NO arguing here's a guy who is willing to do ANYTHING, even severely shorten his lifespan, to be the best. If drugs didn't exist, he'd still be doing more than the next guy to win i assure you. Now apply this to every other sport or discipline on the planet. Drugs, gear, both or neither, the world champions are world champions because they wanted it more than the rest ov us.

Like it or not, the ONLY way you'll ever get rid ov cheating in sports is to open the floodgates and drop ALL performance-enhancing drug prohibition across the board. No matter how hard you try, how much money you spend and how brutally you punish the offenders, there will ALWAYS be someone who will cheat. And there will always be someone holding a knife at that gunfight, whatever kind ov gunfight it may be.

Seriously, if everything was legal, how bad would it be? Suddenly drugs in sports are no more cheating than protein powder. Sure, more people would die, but these are people who made that decision to go that route. Some might argue that not everybody has the potential (for whatever reason) to stand atop a podium, and many would compromise their health essentially for nothing (that was an argument here the last time we all blathered on about this...). To that i say anyone that stupid isnt really contributing much to the gene-pool anyways. Lets solve two major problems at once here: cheating in sports, and overpopulation! To those who could rule with the right tools, thats their choice, their body, blah blah blah. One thing i CAN absolutely guarantee you, they will have to build bigger stadiums, bigger arenas, create more sports channels and more sports bars. Sports fans will forget all this morality shit the second everyone is running faster, throwing farther, hitting harder, lifting more, fighting more aggressively, etc...

And they definitely would be performing better than their drug-TESTED but not clean counterparts. Show me ONE drug-tested user who can lift with a non-tested lifter, all things equal that is. Tested users most assuredly compromise their chemical enhancement as they try and outmaneuver the testers. I'm sure there are some absolutely brilliant tested users out there going almost full-bore and still passing tests, sure, but i'd like to see what someone that brilliant could do without the limits.

Come on, these are professionals we're talking about now. These people know the risks, and they get paid for it. No different than a soldier, an underwater welder, a cop, a fireman, etc. This topic is a joke (again, like it or not), fighting drugs in sport is as futile as the 'war on drugs', which is unlikely to end anytime soon either...

Open the gates!!!

Gotta agree with this

[Hanley]

If you could magically make drugs disappear from the planet (and thats about what it would take, Harry fucking Potter...) i'd wager Kennelly would still be the bench king. Just watch him perform, witness the Kennelly experience in person and theres NO arguing here's a guy who is willing to do ANYTHING, even severely shorten his lifespan, to be the best. If drugs didn't exist, he'd still be doing more than the next guy to win i assure you. Now apply this to every other sport or discipline on the planet. Drugs, gear, both or neither, the world champions are world champions because they wanted it more than the rest ov us.

Like it or not, the ONLY way you'll ever get rid ov cheating in sports is to open the floodgates and drop ALL performance-enhancing drug prohibition across the board. No matter how hard you try, how much money you spend and how brutally you punish the offenders, there will ALWAYS be someone who will cheat. And there will always be someone holding a knife at that gunfight, whatever kind ov gunfight it may be.

Seriously, if everything was legal, how bad would it be? Suddenly drugs in sports are no more cheating than protein powder. Sure, more people would die, but these are people who made that decision to go that route. Some might argue that not everybody has the potential (for whatever reason) to stand atop a podium, and many would compromise their health essentially for nothing (that was an argument here the last time we all blathered on about this...). To that i say anyone that stupid isnt really contributing much to the gene-pool anyways. Lets solve two major problems at once here: cheating in sports, and overpopulation! To those who could rule with the right tools, thats their choice, their body, blah blah blah. One thing i CAN absolutely guarantee you, they will have to build bigger stadiums, bigger arenas, create more sports channels and more sports bars. Sports fans will forget all this morality shit the second everyone is running faster, throwing farther, hitting harder, lifting more, fighting more aggressively, etc...

And they definitely would be performing better than their drug-TESTED but not clean counterparts. Show me ONE drug-tested user who can lift with a non-tested lifter, all things equal that is. Tested users most assuredly compromise their chemical enhancement as they try and outmaneuver the testers. I'm sure there are some absolutely brilliant tested users out there going almost full-bore and still passing tests, sure, but i'd like to see what someone that brilliant could do without the limits.

Come on, these are professionals we're talking about now. These people know the risks, and they get paid for it. No different than a soldier, an underwater welder, a cop, a fireman, etc. This topic is a joke (again, like it or not), fighting drugs in sport is as futile as the 'war on drugs', which is unlikely to end anytime soon either...

Open the gates!!!

Judas for president, anyone??

[CapnK]

Ping-pong ain't no joke bro. One of my good friend's boyfriend plays ping-pong and they have their own "little" sub-culture just like us. I say "little" because it's supposed to be the second biggest sport in the world behing soccer or something (read: because China has so many damn pp players ). Anyway, her boyfriend has to get surgery on his hand for tendinitis from using is paddle. Pretty hardcore . Someday he'll try and do something and not be able to do it and have to tell their grandkids, "that's from an old ping-pong injury of grandpa's."

that's what he gets for playing ping-pong in the 100%RAW division. Shoulda been in gear.

[gopostal42]

that's what he gets for playing ping-pong in the 100%RAW division. Shoulda been in gear.

hahahahahaha troof!

[DanL4560]

What would the sport be like with more testing

Gay.

[ironboy250]

Why is it gay? Because he questions something? what do you, do stare at yourself in the mirror all day?

[DanL4560]

Why is it gay? Because he questions something? what do you, do stare at yourself in the mirror all day?

The idea of introducing more testing to the sport is gay because I compete untested, and that is my opinion. Your inability to gather as much from my post is alarming.

As for your second question the answer is no, I much prefer weight lifting in my time off, unlike one such as yourself who feels the need to spend his free time crusading against steroid users.

[gopostal42]

Why is it gay? Because he questions something? what do you, do stare at yourself in the mirror all day?

come on man we know your position on this but you're coming across as a bit of a drug tested elitest. you have every right in the world to believe what you want but you've just been bashing anyone who says that drug testing isnt the greatest thing on the planet. just speak your mind and stop making personal comments towards people you disagree with.

[Judas]

Judas for president, anyone??

Suuuuure... i'm optimistic all those christian Americans would go for that...