[manz]

1. how much distance do you lose going from a 30lb weight to a 35lb weight?

2/3. how often do you train with heavier implements? lighter?

4. how often during the weight throw season do you throw hammer?

[tomsonite]

1. how much distance do you lose going from a 30lb weight to a 35lb weight?

2/3. how often do you train with heavier implements? lighter?

4. how often during the weight throw season do you throw hammer?

1. Never thrown a 30 pound weight, only ever thrown the 35 and occasionally mess around with the 20 (if nobody else is in the field house.)

2/3. answered by one

4. Hammer three days a week, weight 2 days a week max, sometimes i might only throw the weight once a week and throw the hammer the other 4 days, it can depend on a lot of stuff.

[ThrowerX70]

what he said

[Shank the Tank]

1. I personally lose about 4-6 feet...my coach says he typically has seen guys at about 1.5-2 meters drop from 30-35lb. (just asked him the other day).

2. We start with the 30lb...after about 2-3 weeks, or 4-6 throws sessions we will switch to the 35lb from there on out. Our coach basically judges when we are ready or semi peaked with the 30lb, basically comfortable with it b4 we switch to the 35lb.

3. We don't throw the hammer at all during the weight season...seem counter productive to me personally.


Speakin of the 30lb, my coach just sent me a few training thows if anyone is interested, opinion is appreciated. Got a lil more speed this year! : )

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8rDHYqXI9Ms

Biggest prob I can see is I'm not releasing over my left...hopefully its something i can fix and im not just babyin my bad knee....


SHANK

[ThrowerX70]

. We don't throw the hammer at all during the weight season...seem counter productive to me personally.

The first person ive ever heard to say this. Odd. Glad im no weight or hammer thrower

[tomsonite]

3. We don't throw the hammer at all during the weight season...seem counter productive to me personally.

Do you mean throwing the hammer would be counter productive to throwing the weight far?

BTW yeah you're lookin' pretty fast in the circle man, it looks to me like your right foot might be coming down a little bit late but its not too bad, what are you trying to hit indoors this season?

This post has been edited by tomsonite: 18 November 2008 - 11:32 AM

[Daunte]

1. I personally lose about 4-6 feet...my coach says he typically has seen guys at about 1.5-2 meters drop from 30-35lb. (just asked him the other day).

2. We start with the 30lb...after about 2-3 weeks, or 4-6 throws sessions we will switch to the 35lb from there on out. Our coach basically judges when we are ready or semi peaked with the 30lb, basically comfortable with it b4 we switch to the 35lb.

3. We don't throw the hammer at all during the weight season...seem counter productive to me personally.
Speakin of the 30lb, my coach just sent me a few training thows if anyone is interested, opinion is appreciated. Got a lil more speed this year! : )

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8rDHYqXI9Ms

Biggest prob I can see is I'm not releasing over my left...hopefully its something i can fix and im not just babyin my bad knee....
SHANK

This question is for my own curiousity - why do you do a 1 toe and 1 heel turn throw?

I do like the entry and how relaxed your arms are for the throw. Good head position when you catch the ball too.

[manz]

thanks for the input guys.

Shank, could you explain why throwing hammer would be counter productive? or
say if i was mainly a hammer thrower and throw weight just to do something in indoor would you still say throwing hammer is counter productive?

[Daunte]

The timing for the two is different. The hammer is slower than the weight and on the entry the weight will drop lower than the hammer. Throwing hammer and weight at the same time will take away from the weight to some degree. Of course then if one stops throwing the hammer until March it will be harder to reestablish timing. Its a trade-off: if throwing the weight far is important, minimize the hammer. If throwing the hammer far is more important than shoprt term results with the weight, throw both.

[Shank the Tank]

Daunte said it pretty well...althought the general movements of weight and hammer are the same and some of it carries over, for me its two different events that require alot of differences out of the thrower. I am competitive in both so I like to do what will allow me to do that, and if i were to throw the hammer during weight season it would be very hard with timing and body type. I get bigger and stronger for the weight and work more speed and drop some weight for the hammer (unless im happy with my speed).

But if the weight isn't a competitive event for you and your specifically hammer than I wouldn't throw the weight at all really, i would just go heavier hammers to work strength if thats what your going for by throwing the hammer. But if if gives you something to do indoors i guess its better than nothing.

Daunte: I used to heel turn out of the back and I learned the toe turn when i got to wyoming and I feel that it is much more natural and consistant. Its kind of hard to learn at first but it seems alot more rotational, smooth, and natural out of the back. And it allows me to catch the ball faster(get my right down ahead of the ball) Not sure if I really answered your questions.


SHANK

[Shank the Tank]

Do you mean throwing the hammer would be counter productive to throwing the weight far?

BTW yeah you're lookin' pretty fast in the circle man, it looks to me like your right foot might be coming down a little bit late but its not too bad, what are you trying to hit indoors this season?

Our school record is 74' and change, that mark is also the Mountain West Confrence record and the MWC meet record.

So im goin for it, aimin for 75. Thats a big toss but i know its in me, just a matter of if I can catch it. Would have been alot closer to that mark last year if my knee would have held up.

Last full season of eligebility so i want to do some big things.


SHANK

[Daunte]

I should have asked it this way: why do 1 toe and 1 heel? Most toe turners do a toe + 2 heels or toe + 3 heels.

[Shank the Tank]

ahh gotcha...I just start out with two turns until Im comfortable with feel than go three.

Just had my first session doing three turns. A toe and two heels.

SHANK

[manz]

Okay, you guys are helping me alot here...

next question:

say my down fall with the 35# is that im not all that good at countering that extra 5 pounds (right now i throw the 30# 65' at best and the 35# is only going 50'-55' at best). what do you guys think about throwing a 40# weight to work on countering the extra pounds?


right now the 35# pulls me on my toes and you guys know what happens from there...

[Shank the Tank]

Dude that was happening to me really bad today...goin like 76 w 3 turns but it was pulling me forward. I would say its just a matter of getting used to countering hard as you can, getting stronger, and technique.

I love dead lifts and heavy shrugs for this reason, like warming up with two bats type of deal, the more weight your used to countering/sitting back with, the lighter the ball will feel and u will be more suited to counter.

technique wise, puttting my head back, or chin up really helps me counter.

Most of all I would say for me I just have to get used to holding that God awful heavy feeling of countering for that split second to get to the release. that's were most of my inconsistency comes from is if im able to hold that counter or not.


Hope this helps...oh and thats a really good toss with the 30'.

What are your strength levels like in the oly's and shrugs/deads?


SHANK

[manz]

thanks shank,

my lifts right now: clean a bit over 300lbs, deadlift around 450lbs. ill powershrug(rack pull + shrug) usually with 405 sometimes 455.
however i only weigh about 210 right now which makes the 35# weight a little more challenging i think.


any thoughts on the 40# weight idea?

[tomsonite]

It would seem to me that if the 35# is pulling you forward, the 40# is just going to pull you forward even more which will just mess up your technique even more...so even though it might give you more specific strength, it will give you the wrong specific strength...you know what I mean?

You're pretty strong, a little stronger than me, and I rarely have problems getting pulled forward on to my toes (not to say that I don't have a myriad of other problems). It might be a technique issue...how do you start your throw?

[Shank the Tank]

Manz, I don't think the 40lb would be a good idea to throw, its too heavy and probably would hurt you technique if not your body...that shit would tear me up personally. Dude I couldn't imagine throwing the weight at 210...I would get as big as you can for counter weight reasons. Are you pretty lean?

also as far as technique and getting forward, it could depend on where your catching the ball, if your catching in front of you than it will pull you forward, or at least thats how i work, I'm able to get back and counter better when I get ahead of the ball.

But I would say its your body weight that's hurting you, unless your a super strong freak, than you need to use body weight to counter...something you don't have. I plan on getting up to around 275 for indoors this year....that's how much i think it helps. Very impressive you throw that far at that weight..

Any vids?

hope this helps...

SHANK

This post has been edited by Shank the Tank: 19 November 2008 - 01:02 AM

[manz]

Manz, I don't think the 40lb would be a good idea to throw, its too heavy and probably would hurt you technique if not your body...that shit would tear me up personally. Dude I couldn't imagine throwing the weight at 210...I would get as big as you can for counter weight reasons. Are you pretty lean?

also as far as technique and getting forward, it could depend on where your catching the ball, if your catching in front of you than it will pull you forward, or at least thats how i work, I'm able to get back and counter better when I get ahead of the ball.

But I would say its your body weight that's hurting you, unless your a super strong freak, than you need to use body weight to counter...something you don't have. I plan on getting up to around 275 for indoors this year....that's how much i think it helps. Very impressive you throw that far at that weight..

Any vids?

hope this helps...

SHANK

ill probably ditch the 40# weight idea then.
yea i would say im pretty lean for a thrower. no vids of me throwing weight. thanks for the technique tips, our top hammer/weight thrower may be out for the season so there is going to be alot of pressure on me to score at Big East. high 50's should score this year so im tryin to get that together.

maybe i should start eating like a depressed fat chick.

[Daunte]

Order at least 4 things from the value menu at Wendys every day in addition to whatever meal plan you are on at school. Thats what I did to keep my weight up when I had both football and track practices in college. There are countless other healthier ways to gain weight or maintain it, but my solution delivers better taste I would think.

[ThrowerX70]

Order at least 4 things from the value menu at Wendys every day in addition to whatever meal plan you are on at school. Thats what I did to keep my weight up when I had both football and track practices in college. There are countless other healthier ways to gain weight or maintain it, but my solution delivers better taste I would think.

& CHEAPER.

like that idea haha

[manz]

thanks for the suggestion, but we have a little thing called "unlimited dining hall" over here
though wendys does sound tastier and we have one on campus